I need some help.
I'm making a page for my website, mcraefamily.com/MathHelp/GeometrySpecialAngles.htm ,
which gives the exact values of the sine of various angles.
As every high school student learns, sin 30º=1/2, and sin
45º=Ö(1/2), etc.
Also, every high school student learns the formulas for sines of
sums of angles.
For example, sin 75º = sin 45º cos 30º + cos
45º sin 30º = Ö(3/8)+Ö(1/8)
Perhaps the high school students don't know that Ptolemy discovered
that sin 36º = Ö(5/8-Ö5/8).
Of course, he didn't express it in those terms; instead he invoked
the golden ratio, but in modern terms, this is what he
discovered.
Using this result, and the half-angle formula, a rich selection of
exact trig functions can be represented.
For example, with a little calculation it is easy to discover that
sin 54º=Ö(3/8+Ö5/8).
I'm getting to the part where I need help...
Ö(3/8+Ö5/8) is not fully simplified. It can be
further simplified as
Ö(5/16)+1/4, or even more
simply,
(Ö5+1)/4, which Ptolemy would tell
you is just half the golden ratio.
But how is a person to recognize that Ö(3/8+Ö5/8) is
not fully simplified?
The reason I ask is that I calculated exact representations of sin
84º -- one is
Ö(9/32+Ö(45)/32)+Ö(5/32-Ö5/32)
and the other is
Ö(7/16+Ö5/16+Ö(15/128+Ö(45)/128))
Both are quite correct; the first looks a bit simpler than the
second; however I fear there may be lurking just beyond my reach a
far simpler representation of this same value.
It gets worse.
To find sin 3º, I use the half angle formula, which gives
me
Ö(1/2-Ö(9/128+Ö(45)/128)-Ö(5/128-Ö5/128))
I checked my work, and this is, in fact, an exact representation of
sin 3º, but I have no way of knowing if a simpler
representation exists.
Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.
You might want to accept it or not (I know I wouldn't), but
using my computer i simplified (So, I have no proof)
sin84 to:
Ö(5/32 - Ö5/32) + Ö(15)/8 + Ö(3)/8
sin3 to:
Ö(- Ö(5/128 - Ö5/128) - Ö(15)/16 - Ö(3)/16 + 1/2)
Yatir
Thank you, Yatir.
You're right, I am reluctant to take such things on faith, or on
the authority of others. But luckily, I can verify that the
formulas you provided are in perfect agreement with the (more
complex) formulas I derived on my own. Moreover, the simplification
you provided gives me insight into a possible method of simplifying
such expressions.
In this case, I calculated
my sin84 = Ö(9/32+Ö(45)/32)+Ö(5/32-Ö5/32)
your sin84 = Ö(15)/8+Ö(3)/8+Ö(5/32-Ö5/32)
If both are true (or at least if they are equal to one another)
then
Ö(15)/8+Ö(3)/8 = Ö(9/32+Ö(45)/32)
The best way to verify this is to square the left side, then take
its square root.
In other words, if
leftside = rightside
then
Ö(leftside^2) = rightside
So let's square Ö(15)/8+Ö(3)/8, then take its square root:
Ö((Ö(15)/8+Ö(3)/8)^2) =
Ö(15/64 + 2Ö(45)/64 + 3/64) =
Ö(9/32 + Ö(45)/32)
Once you show me the simplified expression, I can use this method
to verify that it is identical to my needlessly complex
expression.
However, I still find it difficult to simplify such expressions.
Looking back on this one, I can see how it could be done...
Clearly, in this case, 9/32+Ö(45)/32 is a "perfect square" -- the square
of Ö(15)/8+Ö(3)/8. To simplify the Ö of the former expression, I need a method to
recognize such perfect squares. Not just a method, but a
constructive method: I would like to find its square root.
Toward that end I see that
(Ö(a)+Ö(b))2= a+b+2Ö(ab), where a and b are rational numbers. At
this point, I conjecture that the rational and irrational parts of
such a sum can be "separated" so that the rational part is a+b, and
the real part is 2Ö(ab).
Applying this, if 9/32+Ö(45)/32 is
a perfect square, then
9/32+Ö(45)/32 = a+b+2Ö(ab)
That means Ö(45)/32 = 2Ö(ab)
So Ö(45)/64 = Ö(ab)
So 45/4096 = ab
And a+b=9/32
Solving these two equations for a and b, I get
a=3/64, and b=15/64 (or vice versa)
And sure enough,
the square of Ö(3/64)+Ö(15/64)
is 9/32+Ö(45)/32
----
Let's see if Ö(5/32-Ö5/32) can be simpified this way. If the
expression inside the Ö is a
perfect square then
5/32-Ö5/32 = (Ö(a)-Ö(b))2
5/32-Ö5/32 = a+b-2Ö(ab)
So a+b=5/32
and 4ab=5/1024
Alas, a and b are not rational numbers;
a=(5+2Ö5)/64, and b=(5-2Ö5)/64 (or vice versa).
So I can't use this method to further simplify sin84.
Again, thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.
You Welcome,
Hope it helped.
Yatir